Invasion of privacy at Airports now?

[BradG]

You're not even legally obliged to carry ID in this country, ...

I have no idea what it is like in lawless Victoria but here in GenderlessMonarchysland if you are driving you MUST have your Licence on you. In addition if you are going into a Pub or Club you must also produce Photo ID. Note that in the case of the former the Police also have a description of what they are likely to encounter and/or have encountered with you. Mine is "Polite, cooperative, middle aged Gentleman no need for concern". Again no idea what it's like down there but go for it if you want to be classified as "Argumentative, Lecturing Know-it-all, Gen Whatever have Taser at the ready".

... so if you're a good enough liar you could give a false name.

By all means Brad next time you are talking to the Police give it a try and give a false name and then you and your new best friend "Bubba" can play drop the soap in the Big house.

You only need to carry your drivers licence on you in Victoria if you are under 26. Laws differ in other states. You are not required to carry ID when out in public at all. Hence what I'm saying is if you get approached, you have no ID on you, how do police know that you're really John Smith and not Matt Smith?

[tor lives]

You're not even legally obliged to carry ID in this country, ...

I have no idea what it is like in lawless Victoria but here in GenderlessMonarchysland if you are driving you MUST have your Licence on you. In addition if you are going into a Pub or Club you must also produce Photo ID. Note that in the case of the former the Police also have a description of what they are likely to encounter and/or have encountered with you. Mine is "Polite, cooperative, middle aged Gentleman no need for concern". Again no idea what it's like down there but go for it if you want to be classified as "Argumentative, Lecturing Know-it-all, Gen Whatever have Taser at the ready".

... so if you're a good enough liar you could give a false name.

By all means Brad next time you are talking to the Police give it a try and give a false name and then you and your new best friend "Bubba" can play drop the soap in the Big house.

You only need to carry your drivers licence on you in Victoria if you are under 26. Laws differ in other states. You are not required to carry ID when out in public at all. Hence what I'm saying is if you get approached, you have no ID on you, how do police know that you're really John Smith and not Matt Smith?

Cat 1-3 Airports fall under Federal jurisdiction, so VIC State law is really irrelevant to this discussion.
TOR

[BradG]

You are not required to carry ID on you anywhere in Australia. I don't even think it's mandatory to carry or even show ID for domestic flights, although it can be asked for.

[Cap'n Wannabe]

Poopy pants? Is that the best you got? Geez mate, you're slipping!

I heard you have farty breath -better? [/quote]
Whatevs, stinky-britches..

Ok....to throw a little more petrol on the fire...
There's this:
https://www.3aw.com.au/podcast/there-ar ... on-expert/

this:
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-n ... -by-pilots

this:
https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/nationa ... ll-expert/

this:
https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/nationa ... -airports/

and this:
https://www.smh.com.au/national/workers ... xousf.html

Now, admittedly some of the articles are a year or more old, but what's changed? Improve the security at airports by all means, just don't keep adding more and more layers to a system that doesn't work properly.

When it comes to layers - I love them in both cakes and security! It's mmmmmm-good! The more layers/screens, the more chance of catching perp's. Obviously any introduced layers must be as efficient as possible otherwise passenger check in and arrivals will get chocked up - pissing off passengers, airlines and airport managers & owners. None of us are security experts as such (as far as I know) but we obviously have professionals here who have or do work in this industry. Me, I'll stand beside the experts and see how this plays out. We've had too many near misses in the past and we can only expect more and more terrorism attempts at airports in the future given all the shit that's been hapening in the ME and beyond. Authorities have obviously recognised there is a shortfall in security at airports and are trying to address this. There are obviously other measures being put in place we do not know about for security reasons. It is very good that there is open and informed discussion about this topic. I think Australia has been very lucky to date.

Hmmmm...yeah, nah. The thing is, we don't do security very well. Take the ASIC as an example - it's a complete and utter WOFTAM. Can't be used for ID, even though your name and photo are on it. Costs (me) $200+ every two years. The renewal process is exactly the same as an initial issue. There's confusion about where and when you need it. It was a classic knee-jerk reaction to 9/11. And now the rules have changed, and you can't get a pilots licence without one! The thing is, the government likes to be seen to be tackling the tough issues without actually putting a lot of thought into it.
So more layers of shite? Hell to the no!

[Adam the Akrodude]

[
When it comes to layers - I love them in both cakes and security! It's mmmmmm-good! The more layers/screens, the more chance of catching perp's. Obviously any introduced layers must be as efficient as possible otherwise passenger check in and arrivals will get chocked up - pissing off passengers, airlines and airport managers & owners. None of us are security experts as such (as far as I know) but we obviously have professionals here who have or do work in this industry. Me, I'll stand beside the experts and see how this plays out. We've had too many near misses in the past and we can only expect more and more terrorism attempts at airports in the future given all the shit that's been hapening in the ME and beyond. Authorities have obviously recognised there is a shortfall in security at airports and are trying to address this. There are obviously other measures being put in place we do not know about for security reasons. It is very good that there is open and informed discussion about this topic. I think Australia has been very lucky to date.[/quote]

Hmmmm...yeah, nah. The thing is, we don't do security very well. Take the ASIC as an example - it's a complete and utter WOFTAM. Can't be used for ID, even though your name and photo are on it. Costs (me) $200+ every two years. The renewal process is exactly the same as an initial issue. There's confusion about where and when you need it. It was a classic knee-jerk reaction to 9/11. And now the rules have changed, and you can't get a pilots licence without one! The thing is, the government likes to be seen to be tackling the tough issues without actually putting a lot of thought into it.
So more layers of shite? Hell to the no![/quote]

The government on advice by security experts are bringing in these changes to improve security, not weaken it. ASIC- SMASHIC, it is largely a complete waist for many and the requirements for having one should be streamlined and improved totally agree, but that's not what this topic is about. CASA seems to want to kill off GA, but that's another topic entirely. I'll defer to the experts in this case of random ID checks as I'm more than happy for more security at airports. Bring on random ID checks if this helps the Fed Police, bring on full body scanners and there should be ID check prior to boarding for domestic flights, as there is international. I'm not sure just where that legislation is for ID check prior to boarding, but to me it's a vital one. As Brad indicated, it is indeed too easy to jump on a domestic flight without once showing any ID, even though it is a offence to travel under a false name. There are too many f_cktards out there that wish us harm and this is only going to worsen. If it takes me another hour to get through airport security which I have to do on a fairly regular basis, I do not mind as it's a little more peace of mind. There should be more visible security, particularly in the check in areas as well. So, I both agree with these new measures and agree with you in that we need smarter security as well. I want my layered cake - and eat it too!

[Cap'n Wannabe]

When it comes to layers - I love them in both cakes and security! It's mmmmmm-good! The more layers/screens, the more chance of catching perp's. Obviously any introduced layers must be as efficient as possible otherwise passenger check in and arrivals will get chocked up - pissing off passengers, airlines and airport managers & owners. None of us are security experts as such (as far as I know) but we obviously have professionals here who have or do work in this industry. Me, I'll stand beside the experts and see how this plays out. We've had too many near misses in the past and we can only expect more and more terrorism attempts at airports in the future given all the shit that's been hapening in the ME and beyond. Authorities have obviously recognised there is a shortfall in security at airports and are trying to address this. There are obviously other measures being put in place we do not know about for security reasons. It is very good that there is open and informed discussion about this topic. I think Australia has been very lucky to date.

Hmmmm...yeah, nah. The thing is, we don't do security very well. Take the ASIC as an example - it's a complete and utter WOFTAM. Can't be used for ID, even though your name and photo are on it. Costs (me) $200+ every two years. The renewal process is exactly the same as an initial issue. There's confusion about where and when you need it. It was a classic knee-jerk reaction to 9/11. And now the rules have changed, and you can't get a pilots licence without one! The thing is, the government likes to be seen to be tackling the tough issues without actually putting a lot of thought into it.
So more layers of shite? Hell to the no!

The government on advice by security experts are bringing in these changes to improve security, not weaken it. ASIC- SMASHIC, it is largely a complete waist for many and the requirements for having one should be streamlined and improved totally agree, but that's not what this topic is about. CASA seems to want to kill off GA, but that's another topic entirely. I'll defer to the experts in this case of random ID checks as I'm more than happy for more security at airports. Bring on random ID checks if this helps the Fed Police, bring on full body scanners and there should be ID check prior to boarding for domestic flights, as there is international. I'm not sure just where that legislation is for ID check prior to boarding, but to me it's a vital one. As Brad indicated, it is indeed too easy to jump on a domestic flight without once showing any ID, even though it is a offence to travel under a false name. There are too many f_cktards out there that wish us harm and this is only going to worsen. If it takes me another hour to get through airport security which I have to do on a fairly regular basis, I do not mind as it's a little more peace of mind. There should be more visible security, particularly in the check in areas as well. So, I both agree with these new measures and agree with you in that we need smarter security as well. I want my layered cake - and eat it too!

Seems we'll have to agree to disagree on this....unless you disagree... Mr farty bum poo pants.

[Adam the Akrodude]

Hmmmm...yeah, nah. The thing is, we don't do security very well. Take the ASIC as an example - it's a complete and utter WOFTAM. Can't be used for ID, even though your name and photo are on it. Costs (me) $200+ every two years. The renewal process is exactly the same as an initial issue. There's confusion about where and when you need it. It was a classic knee-jerk reaction to 9/11. And now the rules have changed, and you can't get a pilots licence without one! The thing is, the government likes to be seen to be tackling the tough issues without actually putting a lot of thought into it.
So more layers of shite? Hell to the no![/quote]

The government on advice by security experts are bringing in these changes to improve security, not weaken it. ASIC- SMASHIC, it is largely a complete waist for many and the requirements for having one should be streamlined and improved totally agree, but that's not what this topic is about. CASA seems to want to kill off GA, but that's another topic entirely. I'll defer to the experts in this case of random ID checks as I'm more than happy for more security at airports. Bring on random ID checks if this helps the Fed Police, bring on full body scanners and there should be ID check prior to boarding for domestic flights, as there is international. I'm not sure just where that legislation is for ID check prior to boarding, but to me it's a vital one. As Brad indicated, it is indeed too easy to jump on a domestic flight without once showing any ID, even though it is a offence to travel under a false name. There are too many f_cktards out there that wish us harm and this is only going to worsen. If it takes me another hour to get through airport security which I have to do on a fairly regular basis, I do not mind as it's a little more peace of mind. There should be more visible security, particularly in the check in areas as well. So, I both agree with these new measures and agree with you in that we need smarter security as well. I want my layered cake - and eat it too![/quote]

Seems we'll have to agree to disagree on this....unless you disagree... Mr farty bum poo pants.[/quote]

I disagree with you wanting to agree to disagree. Papers PLEASE! Just testing you here because as you look so dodgy, you can expert to hear this a lot at airports in the future ploppy bum chunks for brains! (remember, a smiley face following puerile insults makes it all OK!).

[Cap'n Wannabe]

Hmmmm...yeah, nah. The thing is, we don't do security very well. Take the ASIC as an example - it's a complete and utter WOFTAM. Can't be used for ID, even though your name and photo are on it. Costs (me) $200+ every two years. The renewal process is exactly the same as an initial issue. There's confusion about where and when you need it. It was a classic knee-jerk reaction to 9/11. And now the rules have changed, and you can't get a pilots licence without one! The thing is, the government likes to be seen to be tackling the tough issues without actually putting a lot of thought into it.
So more layers of shite? Hell to the no!

The government on advice by security experts are bringing in these changes to improve security, not weaken it. ASIC- SMASHIC, it is largely a complete waist for many and the requirements for having one should be streamlined and improved totally agree, but that's not what this topic is about. CASA seems to want to kill off GA, but that's another topic entirely. I'll defer to the experts in this case of random ID checks as I'm more than happy for more security at airports. Bring on random ID checks if this helps the Fed Police, bring on full body scanners and there should be ID check prior to boarding for domestic flights, as there is international. I'm not sure just where that legislation is for ID check prior to boarding, but to me it's a vital one. As Brad indicated, it is indeed too easy to jump on a domestic flight without once showing any ID, even though it is a offence to travel under a false name. There are too many f_cktards out there that wish us harm and this is only going to worsen. If it takes me another hour to get through airport security which I have to do on a fairly regular basis, I do not mind as it's a little more peace of mind. There should be more visible security, particularly in the check in areas as well. So, I both agree with these new measures and agree with you in that we need smarter security as well. I want my layered cake - and eat it too![/quote]

Seems we'll have to agree to disagree on this....unless you disagree... Mr farty bum poo pants.[/quote]

I disagree with you wanting to agree to disagree. Papers PLEASE! Just testing you here because as you look so dodgy, you can expert to hear this a lot at airports in the future ploppy bum chunks for brains! (remember, a smiley face following puerile insults makes it all OK!).[/quote]

I just leave you with this....to end any argument, simply quote the classics, ie, Monty Python.
I don’t want to talk to you no more, you empty-headed animal-food-trough wiper. I fart in your general direction. Your mother was a hamster, and your father smelt of elderberries.

[Adam the Akrodude]

Seems we'll have to agree to disagree on this....unless you disagree... Mr farty bum poo pants.[/quote]

I disagree with you wanting to agree to disagree. Papers PLEASE! Just testing you here because as you look so dodgy, you can expert to hear this a lot at airports in the future ploppy bum chunks for brains! (remember, a smiley face following puerile insults makes it all OK!).[/quote]

I just leave you with this....to end any argument, simply quote the classics, ie, Monty Python.
I don’t want to talk to you no more, you empty-headed animal-food-trough wiper. I fart in your general direction. Your mother was a hamster, and your father smelt of elderberries. [/quote]

I was going to use that line. You didn't by chance do drafting at the Tech College RMIT did you? Kind of a chant we used on a almost daily basis there - well, in between naps on the drafting table after a long lunch and pool (table) session down the pub prior to drafting class which was mandatory!

[Cap'n Wannabe]

I was going to use that line. You didn't by chance do drafting at the Tech College RMIT did you? Kind of a chant we used on a almost daily basis there - well, in between naps on the drafting table after a long lunch and pool (table) session down the pub prior to drafting class which was mandatory!

Nope, never set foot in RMIT until I did my Cert IV TAE in 2015. Didn't even go to uni to learn drafting..