F-35 - Debunking the critics

[Adam the Akrodude]

:lol: Continue to be sick to the back teeth old boy and I'm pretty sure I WON'T drift into background noise ever. Guarantee it LOL So on one hand you say we aren't to believe anything negative about the shitbox but on the other hand we are to believe all the negative stuff around about the Chinese? You gotta be kidding me right? You can't have it both ways mate. Man you're more one eyed than I am about Holden v ford

No, that is not what I am saying at all. Yes there have been issues with the F-35 and all are being addressed along the way - just like in 100% of all previous civil and military jet programs. For you to refer to the F-35 as a shitbox shows a complete and utter lack of understanding about this aircraft. Sure you can not like its looks, but to call it a shitbox is quite simply ridiculous and totally unfounded. Answer me this, if the RAF thought the F-35 is a shitbox, why are they buying 138 and relegating the Typhoon to second tier bomb truck duties? More and more info is being released about just how extraordinary this aircraft is - not the other way around. Pretty well all critics will refer to very outdated articles or misinterpret test results (like that F-35 vs. F-16 "dogfight" which was so totally blown out of all proportion). If you have actual concerns about the F-35, what are they? If you just do not like it, fine. To call the F-35 a shitbox is a totally unsubstantiated statement. If you've got some evidence to support this statement, I would be very interested to see it. The fact is there is ZERO evidence to show the F-35 is a shitbox - it's just your opinion right?

As far as the Chinese 5th Gen fighter program goes, it's a fact this it is in it's infancy. They have only just started flying some prototypes and it will be some time before any reach maturity enough to reach squadron service. China admits it has serious problems with it's domestic jet engine program and this is why they've ordered a bunch of Su-35s from Russia. Russia's own 5th Gen program is moving at snails pace with a total of 12 on order for delivery in 4 years. Russia's military budget is 1/12 that of USAs.

I do really really get you do not like the F-35. To call it a shitbox is just wrong though. There is ZERO evidence to support that statement and a great deal of evidence to the contrary. I'm not being one eyed at all. I've just invested some time reading and researching the F-35. The truth is out there if you care to read about it. Hey, if you want to believe the twisted sensationalist prattle from unethical journo's like those at the ABC - fine. Or, you can read up about it and you may in fact have potentially the same physical reaction that could possibly happen to Tony and I at Avalon in the future! Just suggesting - read about the F-35 - don't just throw shit at it.

[tor lives]

Good debate....... but let's not let things get to out-of-hand here OK. God......it's the VLAT discussion all over again
TOR

[Adam the Akrodude]

Good debate....... but let's not let things get to out-of-hand here OK. God......it's the VLAT discussion all over again
TOR

Except there's every chance the entire thread will not disappear or be completely locked out as happens at other model forum sites! The only thing missing here are some cold beers, some tasty snacks to assist with this debate.

[tor lives]

Good debate....... but let's not let things get to out-of-hand here OK. God......it's the VLAT discussion all over again
TOR

Except there's every chance the entire thread will not disappear or be completely locked out as happens at other model forum sites! The only thing missing here are some cold beers, some tasty snacks to assist with this debate.

Of that you can be sure.....consider it our "point-of-difference"
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[Adam the Akrodude]

For anyone interested to hear what the "users" themselves are saying about the F-35, here's a link to a Marine General talking about the F-35B. In one exercise, 4 F-35s did the equivalent job of 12-14 Gen.4 fighters. The weather was completely overcast and would most likely have been a mission scrub for the Gen 4s in any case. Listen from about the 40:30 mark to around the 50 minute mark regarding the F-35. The Marines issues with the F-35s at the moment are spares. USN procurement is further down the track as they are the "late starter" in this program. Issue they have is wearing out F-18s whilst waiting for the F-35 to come on line. It's a interesting discussion.

These guys don't sound like dissatisfied customers!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=os5V-72I2rg

[Cap'n Wannabe]

Just thought I'd resurrect this thread by reminding you all of just how butt-ugly the F-35 is.

[BradG]

For the price, I just hope it can do all that fancy shit they say it can. Right now I'm more concerned about these froggy submarines they bought....yuk.

[Adam the Akrodude]

Just thought I'd resurrect this thread by reminding you all of just how butt-ugly the F-35 is.

Beauty is indeed in the eye of the beholder.

What's cooler folks?

This?



or this?

[Adam the Akrodude]

For the price, I just hope it can do all that fancy shit they say it can. Right now I'm more concerned about these froggy submarines they bought....yuk.

Those in the know seem to be very happy so far. F-35s have been kicking ass in major exercises like Red Flag now for a couple of years. Ex-Israeli General admitted it can "see" all of the ME. Germany is now knocking on LM's door for the classified brief as the Luftwaffe is desperate to replace their ol' junker Tornados. Luftwaffe wants a 5th Gen replacement so that means the F-35. F-35 as a platform has huge growth potential over the next 50 years - such as more advanced sensors, processors, more efficient and powerful engine (ACE), longer range stand off weapons like the JSM, AARGM-ER, SDB-II and LM is to commence testing a defensive laser for use on fighters soon. F-35 has the most powerful engine put into a single engine fighter, so that means it can generate a shit load of power via its generator. This has big implications with what power for instance the AESA can pump out. It's been hinted that it can pump out so much power, it not only would be used for jamming, but can in fact burn out components on threat radars. AESA radars focus the output into a beam if required. Raytheon's APG-81 is a 4th gen AESA. It's also been hinted that the AESA can transmit viruses to take down threat networks. It has also been hinted that the F-35 AESA in combination with the AN/APQ-239 "Barracuda" EA/EW system can even jam the F-22. Both Russia and China have truly yet to go operational with their 1st gen AESA. There's lots to come with the F-35 over the next 50+ years. When one gets into the nitty gritty tech stuff with the F-35 program, it gets pretty mind-blowing when getting ones head around what it can do. Just one example was earlier this year when a F-35 provided targeting to a Aegis/SM-6 missile system and successfully splashed the target.

When I worked for Transfield, I used to hear all the juicy gossip about the Collins class issues. Too early to tell isn't it how the Froggy designed subs will be. There will be for better or worse a lot of Australia engineering and design content. They did/should have learnt a lot from the Collins experience. I remember reading that the French nuke power plant system in their subs is very good - very quiet as it uses a convection cooling system - doesn't require pumps running all the time. Yet, RAN isn't getting nuke power plant as Australia just does not have the nuke infrastructure to support nuke fuel. We'll see - hopefully it will work it eventually. I would like to see the RAN get a land attack version of the SM-6 missile for long range precision strike - this would be a big thing. Tomahawks would be cool, but I don't think there is any further development going on with that weapon system. At least this country of ours is spending up on defence. The RAAF will essentially be the most modern air force in the world in 2025 with the oldest aircraft in service being the C-130Js - that is pretty amazing.

[tor lives]

BUTT friggen UGLY!!!
TOR