Blackhawks gone from TSV

[oz rb fan]

pert of the tiger problem is us asking for special mods...even though the basic version wasn't in service ....yes an off the shelf Apache would have been a better idea.....but at the time we wouldn't by off the shelf(seasprite anybody!!!)

i dont know enough about the MRH but i guess it is another buy before it's proven program....hhhmmmm sounds familiar.

[hrtpaul]

pert of the tiger problem is us asking for special mods...even though the basic version wasn't in service ....yes an off the shelf Apache would have been a better idea.....but at the time we wouldn't by off the shelf(seasprite anybody!!!)

i dont know enough about the MRH but i guess it is another buy before it's proven program....hhhmmmm sounds familiar.

^^^^^^ *nodding knowingly*

[tor lives]

Brad, you must elaborate more on your WW1 "draw" comment. Did you go to the University of Bizarroworld?

Yeah....I would be also be most interested in Brad's definition of a "draw" in this context.
TOR

[_BlackHawk_]

I'm sure if I were to say more, it would be ridiculed and/or scoffed at, so I'm afraid you'll have to do your own research.

[tor lives]

I'm sure if I were to say more, it would be ridiculed and/or scoffed at, so I'm afraid you'll have to do your own research.

Done it!!!! .....and guess what Brad, facts haven't changed:
WW1:
Allies = 1
Germany = 0
WW2
Allies = 1
Germany = 0
What is it about this that you are not understanding???
Geez....next you will be telling us all that we actually won the Afghan and Iraq campaigns
TOR

[_BlackHawk_]

See what I mean.....

[Adam the Akrodude]

Brad, why even bother making comments like WW1 was a draw if you do not have the strength of your convictions to back up this statement with your argument? It's childish attention seeking behaviour. You most certainly will be ridiculed making statements like this without any facts to support your case. Here is your opportunity to enlighten us as to why you believe WW1 was a draw. Your stated MO is to annoy others - pretty sad, but I guess it's a hobby. You're playing with adults here (well, as adult as men who glue little bits of plastic and resin together then paint can be!), so put up or shut up. Anything else is viewed on as just a sad attempt at trying to get some attention - that's how it comes across Ace.

[Tony P]

Having studied the period around WW1 & II, Brad's view (dare I say it) is pretty much ok on this one. Germany wasn't invaded and an armistice is just a fancy word for ceasefire. The Versailles treaty was the catalyst for a little mustachioed fellow to cause havoc. If it wasn't for the yanks in both WWs, things would of been different! So yes they got their ass kicked in WW2, not so much in WW1.

[Adam the Akrodude]

Germany wasn't invaded? Occupation of the Rhineland late 1918 by the Allies. It took some time for Germany to get that region back.

It's my opinion that the very signing of the Treaty of Versailles by Germany or risk starting the war again, is their acceptance of defeat and acceptance it was their fault and acceptance to pay for what they did. That to me equals defeat because it was a defeat. Germany was no longer able to keep fighting the war. Signing the Treaty was a massive loss of face, but they started it. Yes, or course it sewed the seats for WW2. The Armistice stopped the fighting. The signing of the Treaty officially ended the war. Germany had no choice but to sign on the dotted line, which officially ended the war in 1919 - in the Allies favour.

I just can't fathom how it could be considered that WW1 was a draw, given the money Germany had to pay back, the loss of territory, the breaking apart of the Austro-Hungarian Empire and the severe limitations imposed on it's armed forces.

[Tony P]

I just can't fathom how it could be considered that WW1 was a draw, given the money Germany had to pay back, the loss of territory, the breaking apart of the Austro-Hungarian Empire and the severe limitations imposed on it's armed forces.

Didn't stop them though.